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	<title>دیدگاه‌ها برای: by every means</title>
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	<description>کروکديل هانتر را من کشتم</description>
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		<title>با: بهنام</title>
		<link>http://sofreh.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/by-every-means/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>بهنام</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 12:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>آنهایی که تحت ستم استعمار هستند اگر به کسانیکه که از خودشان ضعیفتر هستند  ضربه بزند (مثلا اگر بکشند همانهایی را که شما قتلشان را توجیه میکنید چون درصدی از مالیاتی که میپردازند بالاجبار و نه الزاما به خواسته آنان صرف ادامه بقای استعمار میشود)-- اگر آنهایی که تحت ستم استعمار هستند چنین بکنند آنگاه خود ستمکارند و با دشمنانشان فرق چندانی ندارند چون هر دو به ضعیف تر از خود زور میگویند و ستم میکنند تا بتوانند به اهداف سیاسی شان برسند.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>آنهایی که تحت ستم استعمار هستند اگر به کسانیکه که از خودشان ضعیفتر هستند  ضربه بزند (مثلا اگر بکشند همانهایی را که شما قتلشان را توجیه میکنید چون درصدی از مالیاتی که میپردازند بالاجبار و نه الزاما به خواسته آنان صرف ادامه بقای استعمار میشود)&#8211; اگر آنهایی که تحت ستم استعمار هستند چنین بکنند آنگاه خود ستمکارند و با دشمنانشان فرق چندانی ندارند چون هر دو به ضعیف تر از خود زور میگویند و ستم میکنند تا بتوانند به اهداف سیاسی شان برسند.</p>
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		<title>با: links for 2008-05-17 &#171; بامدادی</title>
		<link>http://sofreh.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/by-every-means/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2008-05-17 &#171; بامدادی</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 18:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] اسرائیل و صهیونسیم هم معنا نیستندAIDERSS تویتر را هم به سیستم امتیاز دهی‌اش اضافه کردتمام [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] اسرائیل و صهیونسیم هم معنا نیستندAIDERSS تویتر را هم به سیستم امتیاز دهی‌اش اضافه کردتمام [...]</p>
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		<title>با: کاوه</title>
		<link>http://sofreh.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/by-every-means/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>کاوه</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 01:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>راستی میدونی یاد چی افتادم؟ نمیدونم یادت هست، فینکلستین همون اول صنعت هالوکاست یه جا هست میگه مقاله های مرتبط به هالوکاست توی نیویورک تایمز بعد از گزارش روزانه هوا مقام دوم رو  از نظر تعداد داشته! از نظر (به قول بچه های ایران) &quot;قوه قهریه&quot; هم که دیگه گفتن نداره...حالا با فرانتس فانون مون بریم با اینا چیکار کنیم؟ این سارتر  ِ چشم قورباغه ای هم دل اش خوش بودا! روح نداشته اش شاد.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>راستی میدونی یاد چی افتادم؟ نمیدونم یادت هست، فینکلستین همون اول صنعت هالوکاست یه جا هست میگه مقاله های مرتبط به هالوکاست توی نیویورک تایمز بعد از گزارش روزانه هوا مقام دوم رو  از نظر تعداد داشته! از نظر (به قول بچه های ایران) &#8220;قوه قهریه&#8221; هم که دیگه گفتن نداره&#8230;حالا با فرانتس فانون مون بریم با اینا چیکار کنیم؟ این سارتر  ِ چشم قورباغه ای هم دل اش خوش بودا! روح نداشته اش شاد.</p>
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		<title>با: کاوه</title>
		<link>http://sofreh.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/by-every-means/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>کاوه</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 23:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>استعمار بايد برود به هر قيمتی و هر وسيله‌ای چیه بابا خوب زور طرف به مراتب بیشتره (هم در  سطح مادی هم در سطح هژمونیک). انگار نسبت کشته شدگان طرفین از آغاز انتفاضه اخیر یادت رفته ها...این فکرا فقط خوراک فراهم کردنه برای عملی کردن تهدید طرف به راه انداختن هالوکاست در غزه...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>استعمار بايد برود به هر قيمتی و هر وسيله‌ای چیه بابا خوب زور طرف به مراتب بیشتره (هم در  سطح مادی هم در سطح هژمونیک). انگار نسبت کشته شدگان طرفین از آغاز انتفاضه اخیر یادت رفته ها&#8230;این فکرا فقط خوراک فراهم کردنه برای عملی کردن تهدید طرف به راه انداختن هالوکاست در غزه&#8230;</p>
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		<title>با: mojo</title>
		<link>http://sofreh.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/by-every-means/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok. I understand your point of view. I don&#039;t agree with it but I understand its logical basis. Thanks for taking the time to clarify. I really enjoy your writing. Keep up the good work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok. I understand your point of view. I don&#8217;t agree with it but I understand its logical basis. Thanks for taking the time to clarify. I really enjoy your writing. Keep up the good work</p>
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		<title>با: sofrehmahi</title>
		<link>http://sofreh.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/by-every-means/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>sofrehmahi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i disagree with your disagreement. as far as religious basis is concerned, i don&#039;t think your examples are relevant. the meccans were not &quot;occupying&quot; mecca; they lived there. and the wars that were fought by the muslims were in large part symmetrical wars fought between city-states. asymmetrical warfare needs new kind of jurisprudential formulation, as many other issues that are products of different time and place.

that aside, i think jurisprudence is in general irrelevant (and that&#039;s putting it kind of mildly. this is my anarchist self talking). what needs to be shown is that some kind of universal ethical framework can be adduced from mohammad&#039;s behavior. i&#039;m not sure it can. there are fragments that may point the way in certain directions, but nothing that can be made into a coherent whole. and in any case i think the search for any universal ethics might be illusory anyway. for one thing, this particular condition is one that demands its own ethics. 

i&#039;m pontificating here, somewhat. i have misgivings about this as anyone else might. for one thing, on purely utilitarian grounds i don&#039;t think this kind of thing is beneficial to the &quot;cause,&quot; if you will. but i still am not sold that on non-utilitarian grounds this can be criticized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i disagree with your disagreement. as far as religious basis is concerned, i don&#8217;t think your examples are relevant. the meccans were not &#8220;occupying&#8221; mecca; they lived there. and the wars that were fought by the muslims were in large part symmetrical wars fought between city-states. asymmetrical warfare needs new kind of jurisprudential formulation, as many other issues that are products of different time and place.</p>
<p>that aside, i think jurisprudence is in general irrelevant (and that&#8217;s putting it kind of mildly. this is my anarchist self talking). what needs to be shown is that some kind of universal ethical framework can be adduced from mohammad&#8217;s behavior. i&#8217;m not sure it can. there are fragments that may point the way in certain directions, but nothing that can be made into a coherent whole. and in any case i think the search for any universal ethics might be illusory anyway. for one thing, this particular condition is one that demands its own ethics. </p>
<p>i&#8217;m pontificating here, somewhat. i have misgivings about this as anyone else might. for one thing, on purely utilitarian grounds i don&#8217;t think this kind of thing is beneficial to the &#8220;cause,&#8221; if you will. but i still am not sold that on non-utilitarian grounds this can be criticized.</p>
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		<title>با: mojo</title>
		<link>http://sofreh.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/by-every-means/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>mojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with you. Not on philosophical, political or even logical grounds but on a religious basis. Please correct me if I&#039;m wrong but in your faith, end does NOT justify the end, right? I present two pieces of evidence: exhibit (A) is all the wars that were fought by leaders of Islamic faith where they observed protocol and rules almost pedantically and exhibit (B) think of how Mohammad dealt with being kicked out of Mecca and his followers tortured and killed by occupiers. I am yet to come across a hadith that has him or one of his followers storm into a school/shop/house of the occupiers of Mecca wildly wielding a sword and killing everyone around. I can&#039;t speak for other ideologies but in Islam (as I understand it) the end, no matter how righteous, never justifies the means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with you. Not on philosophical, political or even logical grounds but on a religious basis. Please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but in your faith, end does NOT justify the end, right? I present two pieces of evidence: exhibit (A) is all the wars that were fought by leaders of Islamic faith where they observed protocol and rules almost pedantically and exhibit (B) think of how Mohammad dealt with being kicked out of Mecca and his followers tortured and killed by occupiers. I am yet to come across a hadith that has him or one of his followers storm into a school/shop/house of the occupiers of Mecca wildly wielding a sword and killing everyone around. I can&#8217;t speak for other ideologies but in Islam (as I understand it) the end, no matter how righteous, never justifies the means.</p>
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